Forager's Steve Johnson on how to beat the market and the rotation out of US stocks

From ASX small-caps to US exceptionalism, share markets are changing faster then ever. Steve Johnson explains why and how to adapt.
Tom Richardson

Livewire Markets

Despite the trade war chaos unleashed by US President Trump, Forager Funds Management's founder and Chief Investment Officer, Steve Johnson, still likes the US as a long-term investment bet.

In this instalment of Livewire's Views from the Top, the stock picker provides insights on the rotation out of US markets, fat dividends in European stocks, gold's surge, why the rules of small-cap investing in Australia are changing, and why he loves buying under-appreciated companies. 

On the US, Johnson says he's still more worried about expensive stock valuations than President Trump's tariff rollercoaster. In fact, he argues the key to making money is still forging your own path by finding good companies at sensible valuations.

His core investment philosophy of searching for the market's "unloved" companies is what's catapulted Forager's Australian Equities Fund to the top of Mercer's performance tables for the 12 months to March 31. 

"I still love US companies that have got great management teams." he says. "I find the governance is better, the capital allocation is better. The willingness to go and grab an opportunity is stronger in the US than it is in other parts of the world.

"But in the latter half of 2024 and start of this year, there was so much money flowing into the US that the prices were too high. So, for us, we were finding better value elsewhere. 

"Still, I think there's going to be some great investment opportunities in the US over the next decade or so."
Forager's Steve Johnson talks about how ASX valuations are being distorted by the rise of passive investors and how market professionals are adapting to this structural shift. 
Forager's Steve Johnson talks about how ASX valuations are being distorted by the rise of passive investors and how market professionals are adapting to this structural shift. 

Value in Europe, Japan

Johnson tells Livewire that Forager invested in Europe and Japan for more than 10 years before the regions became popular as an alternative to Trump's uncertain America. 

Moreover, he says he still sees plenty of cheap valuations in Europe and Japan, where companies regularly trade at huge valuation discounts to the US.

"We've been able to find opportunities [in Europe] that are generating lots of cashflow, paying fat dividends, and I'm talking dividends plus buyback cash returns in excess of 10% per annum," he says. 

Johnson expands on why he thinks many European banks are cheap, why Japan's tech sector has a lot of potential, and names British supermarkets stalwart Tesco (LON: TSCO) as a defensive pick for growth, value and dividends.  

Outside the US, another asset class where investors are sheltering from the trade war is gold. But Johnson tells Livewire, the precious metal doesn't sit within Forager's core investment philosophy.

"Gold has shown it's a defensive asset and can be part of people's portfolios," he says. "However, I prefer to own real assets that are part of the economy, and for me, that's shares, because it's where I'm most familiar."

Distortions in the small-cap market

Over the 12 months to March 31, the Forager Australian Shares Fund has returned 21.7% before fees, to beat the returns of 123 other equity managers in the Mercer tables by a decent margin, and smash the 2.6% return from the S&P/ASX 300.

However, the Australian fund manager tells Livewire the small-to-mid-cap end of the local market is being distorted by new dynamics that all share market investors should take into account. 

First, he says investment funds are being drained from small caps as more retail money switches into large-cap passive funds that track indices like the S&P/ASX 200

A consequence of the small-cap liquidity drain is that it's creating lots of cheap valuations from which to profit. However, it's also making small-cap stock picking harder, as less liquidity creates more volatility or wild share price moves, he says. 

As an example, he points to the recent underperformance of the S&P/ASX All Ordinaries Index of Australia's top 500 companies, versus the top 200 companies in the S&P/ASX 200 Index

"So you've had all of this natural selling in the small-cap part of the market as well, and that's created overall depressed valuations," he says. 

The trend of more money going into large-caps is part of the broader phenomenon of passive index-tracking investing that's changing markets in other ways, according to Johnson. 

"I think pretending this passive trend is going away is just sticking your head in the sand. It is going to be with us forever and overall it's a wonderful thing for investors," he says. 

"The amount of fees people save is significant and I think it's a good thing and it will continue. So, for us, I'd say in that small-cap space, it's led us to focus on unloved and under-appreciated businesses. So we want to buy them when nobody else is interested in them."

In the video, Johnson also talks about a couple of formerly unloved small-cap stocks he still likes, including Catapult (ASX: CAT) and Plenti (ASX: PLT). The latter, he suggests, may get added to an index over the medium term to produce a share price tailwind on the assumption that its operating performance remains strong. 

How to get ahead of the market

Another new trend related to passive investing is that successful companies made members of larger indices will get big valuation uplifts because index-tracking passive investment funds must then buy shares in those companies. 

"We've had a lot of success over the past couple of years trying to identify the company that can get itself out of one [index] bucket and into the other where those passive valuations and flows start to apply," he says. 

Johnson's Australian equities fund is one of several regularly near the top of the performance charts as pragmatic fund managers embrace new phenomenons and profit from the index-tracking money distorting stock valuations. 

And it's not just his Australian shares fund performing well. Forager's International Shares Fund has returned 15.7% per year after fees for the past five years as at March 31. He says the consistent returns are down to Forager sticking to its core investment philosophy and other old-fashioned principles. 

"Well, five years of really hard work," he puts the success down to. 

"And, I'd say our portfolio management team has been together now for seven years. So, collectively, we've put a lot of work into improving our processes and all that portfolio management stuff you and I've been talking about."
If you want to hear more about how Johnson thinks about making money in markets today, please watch the full video above.

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Tom Richardson
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Livewire Markets

Tom covered markets as a Markets Reporter & Commentator at the Australian Financial Review for nearly five years. Prior to that he was the Managing Editor of The Motley Fool Australia leading a team of around 20 investment writers during a...

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