Justin Muzinich on navigating the ever-evolving worlds of US monetary policy and credit markets
This interview was filmed on 30 October 2025.
There's a sense that all aspects of the financial world have been in overdrive the last few years, and few have been better placed to analyse how things are moving than Justin Muzinich.
As Deputy Secretary of the Treasury from 2018 until 2021, Muzinich is more than well-versed in the ongoing struggle with post-Covid inflation and how global monetary and trade policy has changed in recent years.
As CEO of Muzinich & Co, a privately-owned investment firm founded by his father in 1988, he's also on the ground in what is now a rapidly-evolving credit market.
In this interview, Muzinich lays out the complex landscape facing the US Federal Reserve right now and where Muzinich & Co are seeing opportunities in the public and private credit markets.
The Fed's sticky situation
"The Fed is trying to figure out a number of difficult questions," says Muzinich. While inflation is relatively under control, it remains high by recent historical standards. Yet that hasn't stopped many demanding rate cuts.
"Core inflation came in slightly below expectations, and as is typical of Wall Street - they came in at 2.9% instead of 3% - everyone thought all rate cuts were imminent, but 2.9% inflation is still quite high," said Muzinich.
But despite inflation and rates often dominating the headlines, the Fed actually has a dual mandate: low and stable inflation and maximum employment.
With weakening employment numbers, the Fed finds itself stuck between a rock and a hard place, a position exacerbated by wider economic and market developments.
"Inflation remains sticky and that's especially challenging for the Fed because we have growth, but the job market is also not as strong as you'd expect given the growth," said Muzinich.
"How much of that weak job growth is due to AI, and are we in the middle of a growth cycle where jobs won't follow in the same way they have historically because AI is leading to more efficiency? You had Amazon just a few days ago announced quite a large reduction in its workforce, partly because of AI. So these dynamics of inflation being sticky and jobs not being that strong, I think puts a Fed in a difficult position."
The tariff trade-off
The Trump administration hasn't been shy about its attempts to reshore industry to the US through aggressive tariffs and trade policy. But one potential casualty could be the US dollar's role as global reserve currency.
But Muzinich believes the current administration could be attempting to thread the needle on preserving the dollar's status while also bringing industry back to the US. The key, he says, is targeting critical industries.
"A large part of it is what we call in the US economic security, that is, not being dependent on countries you don't trust in your own supply chain," says Muzinich.
"So I think one way to maintain the dollar's role in the world while also being sensitive to economic security is to really differentiate between national security-related industries. For instance, anything related to defence, AI, quantum [computing]."
He also points to the recent critical minerals deal signed between the US and Australia as another way for the US to maintain its global position.
"You reshore or you work very closely with close allies like Australia... and in other industries you still allow a robust trade and have the dollar be at the centre of commerce. So I think that's the way to balance it. And my sense is that's the way it's heading."
The advantages of private credit
While many investors are used to the accessibility and liquidity of public markets, the relative lack of liquidity in private markets can actually benefit investors.
"What's fundamentally appealing about it is you earn an illiquidity premium," says Muzinich. "That illiquidity premium has historically only been available really to institutional investors, and, more and more, that's being made accessible to non-institutional investors."
That illiquidity also means investors can avoid much of the volatility inherent to public markets. "You don't have this mark-to-market volatility, which is really, really appealing," says Muzinich. "If you invest in public credit, you don't sleep as well at night because every day markets go up and down."
"Whereas in private credit, all that matters is your credit worth. Is a company going to pay you back when your loan is due and as long as it's going to pay you back, you don't have all this noise along the way."
But the changing landscape in private credit isn't without its drawbacks. "The asset class has evolved a lot over the years," Muzinich said. "In certain parts of private credit, I think there's too much capital."
It's meant firms like Muzinich & Co have had to be more discerning in where they're investing.
"There's just been so much money raised to invest in certain parts of the private credit market that returns aren't what they used to be. They've come down a little bit and you really have to be much more discriminating and much more risk sensitive and not just following the crowd."
That discernment is also why Muzinich & Co has remained solely focused on credit markets.
"I get approached at least once a quarter by someone who wants to join to do equities or commodities or some other asset class," says Muzinich. "And we've always said no. You can understand the business reason for wanting to diversify, but the reason we say no is you can't be good at everything."
"We feel that by specialising, we just give ourselves the best shot of delivering value to investors. And our investors like knowing that we will only eat well if we do credit well."
"We can't have a bad year in credit and say, 'oh, it doesn't matter, our equities book will do well or our commodities book will do well.' In a world where people trust Wall Street and trust finance less and less, they really like that alignment."
Delivering an edge
As competition grows and credit spreads tighten in private markets, there's a tendency for investors to chase the best yields without understanding the risk.
"The firm is fundamentally based on deep credit research and thinking about achieving good risk-adjusted returns, not just returns. It's very easy in credit to say, 'I'm going to buy the thing with the highest yield and just try to - over a short period of time - earn the highest return'."
"As is typical on Wall Street, something is attractive, huge amounts of capital were raised for that business. And returns have come down, lending documents are written less tightly. There are fewer covenants, fewer protections for investors."
"Our business for 30 years has been based on doing fundamental credit analysis to understand risk first and then making investment decisions."
Muzinich & Co. employs a process known as parallel lending, in which firms from different countries can lend and borrow in their respective currencies.
"Rather than partnering with private equity firms to finance their deals, we partner with banks to source lending opportunities from them," says Muzinich. "We have a fund which is focused on parallel lending in Europe, where we have partnerships with 56 European banks. These banks will show us investment opportunities - we take about 15% of what they show us."
"What we really like about it is that it's lower risk. The loans we're investing in have about 50 to 60% of the leverage that traditional private credit has. So we think the risk-adjusted returns are much better by partnering with banks rather than by partnering with private equity firms."
Understanding the credit cycle
Muzinich also believes we're at the end of the current credit cycle, which means investors need to be wary of what comes next.
"In the public markets, we see good opportunities in the shorter-duration part of credit. In a lot of credit, spreads are pretty tight, which just means things are expensive. In the shorter duration part of the market, you have better buying opportunities."
"We also think we're in the later stages of the credit cycle. You want to be careful investing in any asset class in this part of the credit cycle. In the short-duration part of the market, if there is a correction, you recover very quickly."
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