Perpetual's Sean Roger on finding real opportunities at a time of volatility
Please note this video was filmed on 14 May 2026.
It's been a strange time for Australian income investors.
The ASX's bluechip income stocks have delivered strong share price performance but seen yields decline, while inflation and multiple rate hikes here, and geopolitical instability elsewhere, have driven bond yields higher.
In the words of Perpetual Asset Management's Sean Roger, "there's no shortage of macro issues" to worry about right now, but it's the second order effects that could have the biggest impacts for income investors.
In this interview for Livewire's Income Series, Roger touches on everything from the ongoing market dislocation to suppressed ASX yields, the risks the market is overlooking, how the recent CGT changes could change the equation for income investors and the stocks he thinks represent good prospects at a time of great, and growing, uncertainty.
Weighing up the risks
Beyond the obvious macro concerns - AI, the Middle East, inflation - Roger says the risk of margin squeeze is something Perpetual is watching closely.
"You've got a confluence of pressures on some sectors where you've got some inflation and cost pressures," he says. "At the same time you're seeing demand softness across the economy due to higher interest rates and cost of living pressures. So for companies that are exposed to that, there is a real risk of some earnings pressure."
"And if the companies don't have strong balance sheets, it can be a really nasty situation where you've got earnings downside and balance sheets coming into questions.
So we're spending a lot of time making sure that we're aware of those risks and the positioning of the portfolio reflects that."
Another more publicised worry for income investors is valuation risk across bellwether ASX income stocks: names like Commonwealth Bank (ASX: CBA) and the rest of the Big Four, Telstra (ASX: TLS) and Wesfarmers (ASX: WES).
A combination of these companies posting solid results, while there's been big downgrades elsewhere and a general flight to safety, have left these stocks at elevated prices but suppressed yields.
But it's left these stocks on something of a knife edge, where any perceived weakness can be punished. It's why the Perpetual Equity Investment Company (ASX: PIC) hasn't held any of the Big Four for the best part of a year, and why income investors need to tread carefully, says Roger.
The record one-day sell-off in CBA back in May shows how quickly sentiment can change.
"I think CBA obviously falling quite materially post the latest result is a sign of what can happen if that earning stability is not where investors think it is."
But the silver lining of any prolonged selloff for income investors could be dividend yields coming back up to more attractive levels, he says.
"All you need to see is a little bit of a wobble in the earnings momentum of the companies that are trading on those valuations and then things can correct and yields can come back."
Finding income opportunities
Stretched valuations at the top end have taken the sheen off what has been a historically-attractive segment of the market for income investors.
And it's come at a time when other segments of the market have suffered. Small caps have lagged large caps, while tech and healthcare have been decimated because of AI and high profile downgrades.
It ostensibly leaves investors little in the way of obvious opportunities, but Roger says it's now a matter of turning that underperformance into opportunity.
"From an income perspective, whilst there's not a whole lot of attractive yield at the top of the market, if investors are willing to look into some of those areas that have been hit and where there is a little bit of uncertainty, there is some good income there if you can get comfortable with the earnings outlook for those businesses."
He believes two sectors are now throwing up interesting income opportunities.
One is the cyclical sector, where companies like JB Hi-Fi (ASX: JBH) are potentially offering 5-6% dividend yield at current prices, alongside a net cash balance sheet and strong business model.
The other is the REIT sector, where higher interest rates have hit share prices and subsequently improved yields. GPT Group (ASX: GPT) is a company now offering dividend yields above 5% along with a strong balance sheet and underlying assets.
"There is income out there if you're willing to look into some of the places that have been knocked around a little bit."
The stocks Perpetual is backing
The Perpetual Equity Investment Company (ASX: PIC) looks to offer an income stream of fully-franked dividends through both ASX and global stocks, as well as cash.
Roger says the ability to go global adds another string to the bow, especially when there's a lack of opportunities locally.
"It enables us to flex up that global allocation if we're just not seeing value or income in the Australian market."
One example right now is a name unlikely to be on the radar of many Australian income investors - Howden Joinery Group PLC (LSE: HWDN).
"Howden's is a manufacturer and distributor of prefabricated kitchens, which doesn't sound overly exciting, but the business is very dominant in the UK market and its business model is quite powerful where it's vertically integrated," says Roger.
"It's got the manufacturing at scale, but it's also got a decentralised distribution model servicing just the trades. And the combination of those two means that the company's been able to deliver high quality product at very affordable prices to its customers whilst also delivering attractive returns to shareholders."
The company has managed to sustain profits and grow market share through a weak UK economy, and is now well-placed for further growth, says Roger.
It also represents better value than many of the bellwether ASX income stocks.
"From a valuation perspective, it's on sub-15 times PE, net cash balance sheet, really well run, pays a dividend and also buying back stock."
Closer to home, Soul Patts (ASX: SOL) is similarly well-placed, says Roger.
Perpetual uses four quality filters when identifying opportunities - strong balance sheet, sound management, recurring earnings and a quality business model - which are especially relevant at times of macro uncertainty. Soul Patts is currently demonstrating most - if not all - of them, says Roger.
The merger with Brickworks has given the company options in terms of capital allocation, and a selldown in TPG has also freed up liquidity at a time when that can be beneficial. "They've got a lot of flexibility now in terms of a broader asset portfolio and being able to move that asset mix around," says Roger.
Even its exposure to private credit comes with greater fluidity.
"They're investing their own balance sheet into these deals. They've also got the flexibility to invest up and down the capital stack, which I think puts them in a unique position to underwrite deals and risk in ways that others in the industry can't."
All-in-all, Soul Patts is a company well-equipped to thrive in the current market, and an example of what investors should be looking for when navigating a tumultuous market.
"The liquidity, the flexibility and the experience of the management team have them really well placed to take advantage of this volatility."
His read on the CGT changes
The federal government's much-publicised changes to capital gains tax have attracted their fair share of critics.
While he's waiting to see how the changes play out in practice, Roger says one potential upshot for investors could be in how it improves the relative appeal of income.
"The end result of [the CGT changes] is that, in most scenarios, the tax impost on investors for capital gains is going up and therefore the post-tax returns from the capital component of growth is coming down.," says Roger.
"If we think about capital versus income components of return from a relative perspective, there isn't any change to the tax efficiency of the income that comes from dividends if they're fully-franked. From a relative perspective, that income's now become more attractive to capital growth in most scenarios."
"For companies that pay fully-franked dividends, or listed investment companies, I think there's a relative attractiveness that's come from that change."
In that context, a turnaround in yields may come at the perfect time. With plenty else to worry about, it could be a welcome boon for income investors.

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